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26/9/2025

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We tested it.

50,000 musical objects: 14.5KB total on disk. Not megabytes. Kilobytes. That's not even 0.3 bytes per note.

MusicXML equivalent: ~50MB. That's 3500x larger.

Save/load time: about 250ms on a crappy 2017 MacBook Pro.

These are just the core musical objects - pitches, rests, chords, articulations. A complete score adds instruments, parts, staves, layout data, and more. But the efficiency gains indicate what's possible when you eliminate redundancy at the foundation.

The venerable technique hash-consing (1958, from LISP and symbolic computation) works. Of course it does – and how!

​Article on implications coming.

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Scott Lannie
28/9/2025 01:32:45

Peter those measurements / numbers are truly astounding!
I was thinking on getting an old iMac G4 (that was in storage) repaired so that I can run Igor Engraver again for nostalgia (and fun), or do I save my money and wait for Ooloi.

I’m so impatient, haha!
Amazing work Peter.

Scott.

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Magnus Johansson
1/10/2025 09:57:02

Hello! Igor Engraver can be run on MacOS and Linux via CrossOver; see https://www.codeweavers.com/compatibility/crossover/igor-engraver-17

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Scott Lannie
29/9/2025 01:53:33

Hi Peter, I started a thread on a composers forum about Ooloi, it’s an interesting thread, and may benefit from your input

https://vi-control.net/community/threads/the-reincarnation-of-igor-engraver-ooloi.166584/

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Peter Bengtson link
29/9/2025 09:12:03

Hi, Scott! I'll be joining soon. I can already see several misconceptions about Java, the JVM, compression, the server/client relationship and why and how this could ever get any attention ;) There are answers to all of those, but people need to read my blog a little more carefully.

Also, MusicXML is key here. There's no really good MusicXML implementation on the market today. And publishing houses measure the utility of a new tool exclusively by how well it supports MusicXML. Many go through MuseScore for cleanup, for instance.

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Scott Lannie
29/9/2025 09:34:27

Thanks Peter, I have studied everything you have written regarding the development of Ooloi but because I don’t have any experience with programming languages I can only comment on your results so far.

By the way I asked Grok AI about Ooloi and it went into so much detail of how you have developed this backend to be efficient. It seems to be very impressed! Haha :)

Best wishes and thank you for your response aka (Fizzlewig)

Peter Bengtson link
30/9/2025 09:50:27

I did a similar search on Grok, and you're right – there's certainly a lot of detail there, most of it very accurate. I'm impressed!

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