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I'm one of the world's most committed anti-religious people. Despite decades at organ consoles in churches and cathedrals, I stand with Hitchens: religion is humanity's adolescent phase, something we need to outgrow. Its influence is fundamentally harmful. But when I read something like How Lisp Became God's Own Programming Language, I completely understand the reverence the author describes. There's something about Lisp – and Clojure – that creates what you can only call a transcendental response. Nothing actually transcendental happens, of course, but the feeling is real. What Lisp gives you is freedom. I've written about 'windsurfing through parentheses' before, and the metaphor sticks because it captures something essential. Most programmers are chained to the oars of enterprise slave galleys, with CTOs yelling 'RAMMING SPEED!' like that brilliant scene from Ben-Hur. Meanwhile, those of us who've found Lisp are windsurfing in circles around them, enjoying a freedom they can barely imagine. The discovery feels like Dave Bowman meeting the monolith: 'My God... it's full of stars!' That vertigo when you realise this thing's inner dimensions vastly exceed its outer ones. Lisp isn't transcendental, but it works like a star gate in both senses. The language doesn't get in your way, and it opens new ways of thinking. At the same time, it's so simple that complexity becomes manageable.
I remember that August 1979 BYTE magazine perfectly. The cover promised mysteries, the articles delivered. I couldn't wait to start implementing what they described – eventually doing it in 6502 assembler, using an assembler I'd written in BASIC. Everything clicked, even as a teenager. This was real freedom, expressed as code. Years later, I wrote HotLisp (or 'HotLips' – M.A.S.H. was huge then) for the Royal College of Music in Stockholm. It was incredibly ambitious: a full Common Lisp that treated MIDI events as first-class citizens. Looking back, I see this as the beginning of what became Igor Engraver – integrating music directly into the computational core. We used it to control our Synclavier and MIDI synths whilst teaching algorithmic composition to advanced students at the Royal Academy. The Two-Bit History article nails something important about Lisp's mystique. It traces the evolution from McCarthy's 'elegant mathematical system' through AI research, Lisp machines, and SICP's role in making it the language that 'teaches you programming's hidden secrets'. Each phase built the reputation. What the article doesn't cover is the educational betrayal that followed. Computer science departments got it right for a while – they taught Scheme as a first language because it let students focus on learning algorithms rather than wrestling with syntax. Pure freedom to think about problems. Then Java Enterprise was foisted upon the world, the departments caved in, and they started churning out galley slaves instead of computer scientists. I see this as nothing short of high treason. But here's what really matters: that freedom has evolved in Clojure. Rich Hickey didn't just bring Lisp to the JVM – he solved problems that even Common Lisp couldn't handle elegantly. Those immutable data structures aren't academic toys; they're game changers that eliminate whole categories of bugs whilst making concurrency and parallelism natural instead of terrifying. The effects ripple out: undo/redo becomes trivial, and the JVM gives genuine multi-platform reach. This isn't just improvement – it's architectural breakthrough disguised as evolution. Clojure keeps Lisp's essential quality (that feeling of discovering how programming should work) whilst solving modern problems McCarthy couldn't have anticipated. The poor souls in corporate Java shops keep rowing, occasionally granted small mercies as functional concepts trickle in – hints of the freedom they're missing. I wish they could experience what we know: programming doesn't have to feel like industrial labour. There's a way of working where ideas flow directly into code, where the language becomes transparent, where you stop fighting tools and start windsurfing through solutions. Maybe that's the point. As McCarthy noted in 1980, Lisp survives not because programmers grudgingly accept it as the best tool for each job, but because it hits 'some kind of local optimum in programming language space'. It endures even though most programmers never touch it, sustained by reports from those who've experienced its particular form of computational enlightenment. Until we can imagine God creating the world with some newer language – and I doubt that day is coming soon – Lisp isn't going anywhere. Read the full article at Two-Bit History: https://twobithistory.org/2018/10/14/lisp.html
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After a year building the backend of Ooloi with Claude, I’ve learned this:
Successful AI collaboration isn’t about creative freedom. It’s about harsh constraint. AI will overstep. Your job is to correct it—immediately, uncompromisingly. The friction isn’t failure. It’s the method. Read the full piece – which I asked the AI to write in its own voice – here. Claude & Clojure It's no secret that I use Generative AI, specifically Claude Sonnet, to assist with the Ooloi project. I use it for writing Clojure tests TDD fashion, for generating Clojure code, for generating documentation, READMEs, architectural design documents and much more. Above all, I use Claude for exploring architectural strategies before coding even begins. It's somewhat reminiscent of pair programming in that sense: I'd never just task GenAI with generating anything I wouldn't scrutinise very carefully. This approach works very well and allows me to quickly pick up on good design patterns and best practices for Clojure. Claude & Python Overall, working with Claude on Clojure code works surprisingly well. However, this is not the case when I try to involve Claude for coding in Python, the main language I use as an AWS Solutions Architect. Generative AI struggles with creating meaningful Python tests and code – especially tests, which rarely work at all. This hampers its use as an architectural discussion partner and a TDD assistant. In fact, I've given up trying to use Generative AI for coding in Python. DifferencesI have a deep background in Common Lisp and CLOS, dating back to the 1970s. I've written Common Lisp compilers and interpreters, as many Lispers did in those days. The standard practice was to write a small kernel in assembler or C or some other low-level language, and then use it to write an optimising compiler on top of it to replace the kernel in an iterative fashion, sometimes using transformations of source code based on lambda calculus. (I still remember that paper by Guy Steele.) I see Common Lisp essentially as a big bag of good-to-haves (a really excellent one, mind you). As such, it was designed by committees over a period of decades. Clojure, on the other hand, is much tighter and rests solidly on consistently applied computer science design principles. Common Lisp is pragmatic and eclectic and thus somewhat sprawling in design. Clojure, in comparison, is smaller and much more focussed, even opinionated in nature, and for clear reasons. People attracted to Common Lisp and Clojure tend to be pretty well versed in computer science, especially Clojurians who generally have a good understanding of functional programming and immutable data structure concepts. Thus, the public code "out there" on sites like GitHub tends to be fairly advanced and of high quality. Python is an entirely different ballgame. It's one of the most commonly used languages today, and the public code base is absolutely enormous. This also means that the quality of that public code varies considerably. Also, Python is not functional at heart, and its data structures aren't immutable: side effects is the name of the game. Python programmers, though much greater in number than Clojure programmers, range from script kids to computer scientists. Thus, public Python code is much more all over the place and of varying quality. This may make it harder for a large language model to reason about. I wondered whether these differences accounted for the discrepancies in the usefulness of Claude and other LLMs as coding assistants in Clojure and Python. Asking ClaudeSo I decided to ask Claude 3.7 itself. I shared the Clojure codebase with it and asked why it thought results were so much better for Clojure than for Python. This is what it said:
It then continued, quoting the code base:
I guess this answers my question about Clojure vs Python. It's not just the functional and immutable aspects of Clojure, it's also specifying the domain stringently through design, architectural discussons, specs, and tests. The Ooloi project in particularWith all that out of the way, I then went on to describe how I use Claude as a discussion partner before code is generated, and the TDD approach I'm using where the tests of course describe the domain. Claude was almost embarrassingly enthusiastic:
I continued: "I also use Claude to create ADRs, READMEs, introductions for newcomers, Dev plans, etc. I'm quite open about this; transparency is paramount in an open-source project, and the idea is to facilitate collaborators' understanding of the Ooloi project as much as possible. This means that adherence to best practices, the use of sane architecture, abstracting away the complex stuff without compromising on performance or flexibility, etc, all are central." Claude responded:
We then went on discussing open-source strategies, tutorials and onboarding materials for contributors and much more which I'll spare you from for now. Finally, I asked it to summarise its views on Ooloi as a project:
Now, this level of enthusiasm and praise from an anthropomorphic-presenting LLM (essentially a glorified Markov chain) always makes me deeply suspicious – I'm absolutely allergic to toxic positivity, especially the kind from the USA – so I asked it "Are you sure you're not overly enthusiastic just to please me?". It replied:
I then asked Claude 3.7 to comment on my journey from Common Lisp to Clojure and on the influence from Common Lisp and CLOS on Ooloi:
And finally, I just couldn't resist asking: "What would Rich Hickey say?"
I guess that hypothetical assessment is good enough for me at this point. Still not quite sure that Claude isn't giving me a friendly reach-around, though... ;)
When I started programming in Lisp in 1979, after reading an article in BYTE Magazine, I hardly imagined that 45 years later I'd be embarking on a new Lisp adventure. Yet here we are, with FrankenScore (to be renamed Ooloi upon open-source release) – a modern music notation software built with Clojure. It's a project that brings together all my lifelong passions: music, programming, and the pursuit of elegant solutions to complex problems. The Path from Common Lisp to Clojure My journey with Lisp began in an era when optimising Common Lisp compilers were cutting-edge technology. I cut my teeth implementing Common Lisp interpreters and compilers (as one did in those days), delving into the intricacies of a truly original programming language. This experience shaped my understanding of what a powerful, flexible programming language could be. And now in 2024 I find myself in the world of Clojure, a modern Lisp dialect that runs on the Java Virtual Machine. The transition feels both familiar and novel. Clojure's emphasis on immutability and its handling of concurrency through Software Transactional Memory (STM) aligns with the functional programming principles I've long appreciated in Lisp. But it's not just about the language. The ecosystem around Clojure – the JVM, the interoperability with Java libraries, the rich set of tools and frameworks – provides a robust foundation that we could only dream of back in the Common Lisp days. CLOS Thinking in a Clojure World One of the more interesting aspects of this transition has been adapting CLOS-style thinking to Clojure's more data-centric approach. CLOS, with its powerful multiple inheritance and method combination features, encouraged a certain way of modelling problems. In FrankenScore, I've found myself reaching for these familiar patterns, but implementing them in Clojure's more functional style. For instance, the use of Clojure's protocols and multimethods, combined with hierarchies and the Methodical library, allows us to achieve CLOS-like polymorphism. It's a different approach, but one that feels natural once you embrace Clojure's philosophy. Clojure's deliberate avoidance of traditional object-oriented features felt immediately familiar and refreshing. It resonates with CLOS's approach, which many, including myself, have long regarded as transcending traditional OOP. Composition over inheritance, a principle I always valued even in the CLOS days, is not just a best practice in Clojure but the very fabric of its design philosophy. This alignment between CLOS's advanced features and Clojure's functional paradigm makes the transition feel natural and even inevitable. Changes in ThinkingPerhaps the most significant shift has been in embracing Clojure's emphasis on immutable data structures and pure functions. While these concepts weren't foreign in Common Lisp, they're central to Clojure's design. This shift encourages a style of programming that's inherently more thread-safe and easier to reason about – crucial for a complex application like FrankenScore. Another major change has been adapting to Clojure's more minimalist standard library compared to Common Lisp. This has led to a greater appreciation for carefully chosen, interoperable libraries and a more modular design approach. SimilaritiesDespite the differences, there are of course similarities in the overall approach. The emphasis on interactive development, the power of macros for domain-specific languages and the elimination of boilerplate code, plus the satisfaction of working in a dynamic, expressive language – these are all as present in my Clojure work as they were in my Common Lisp days. Moreover, the focus on solving complex problems through abstraction and composition remains. Whether it's CLOS or Clojure, the goal is still to create systems that are powerful, flexible, and pleasant to work with. Closing ThoughtsThis journey from Common Lisp to Clojure, from Igor Engraver to FrankenScore/Ooloi, is both challenging and rewarding. It's a testament to the enduring power of Lisp's ideas and the continued evolution of programming languages.
As I continue to develop FrankenScore, I'm captivated by the possibilities that Clojure and its ecosystem offer. While creating a powerful music notation software is the immediate goal, the project's scope extends far beyond that. It's an exploration of the synergies between music, technology, and open-source collaboration – a playground where these elements intersect and interact in novel ways. To those considering a similar journey, I'd say: embrace the change, but don't forget the lessons of the past. The parentheses may look familiar, but the world inside them is ever-evolving. |
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Ooloi is a modern, open-source desktop music notation software designed to produce professional-quality engraved scores, with responsive performance even for the largest, most complex scores. The core functionality includes inputting music notation, formatting scores and their parts, and printing them. Additional features can be added as plugins, allowing for a modular and customizable user experience.
Ooloi is currently under development. No release date has been announced.
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