Claude & Clojure![]() It's no secret that I use Generative AI, specifically Claude Sonnet, to assist with the Ooloi project. I use it for writing Clojure tests TDD fashion, for generating Clojure code, for generating documentation, READMEs, architectural design documents and much more. Above all, I use Claude for exploring architectural strategies before coding even begins. It's somewhat reminiscent of pair programming in that sense: I'd never just task GenAI with generating anything I wouldn't scrutinise very carefully. This approach works very well and allows me to quickly pick up on good design patterns and best practices for Clojure. Claude & Python![]() Overall, working with Claude on Clojure code works surprisingly well. However, this is not the case when I try to involve Claude for coding in Python, the main language I use as an AWS Solutions Architect. Generative AI struggles with creating meaningful Python tests and code – especially tests, which rarely work at all. This hampers its use as an architectural discussion partner and a TDD assistant. In fact, I've given up trying to use Generative AI for coding in Python. DifferencesI have a deep background in Common Lisp and CLOS, dating back to the 1970s. I've written Common Lisp compilers and interpreters, as many Lispers did in those days. The standard practice was to write a small kernel in assembler or C or some other low-level language, and then use it to write an optimising compiler on top of it to replace the kernel in an iterative fashion, sometimes using transformations of source code based on lambda calculus. (I still remember that paper by Guy Steele.) I see Common Lisp essentially as a big bag of good-to-haves (a really excellent one, mind you). As such, it was designed by committees over a period of decades. Clojure, on the other hand, is much tighter and rests solidly on consistently applied computer science design principles. Common Lisp is pragmatic and eclectic and thus somewhat sprawling in design. Clojure, in comparison, is smaller and much more focussed, even opinionated in nature, and for clear reasons. People attracted to Common Lisp and Clojure tend to be pretty well versed in computer science, especially Clojurians who generally have a good understanding of functional programming and immutable data structure concepts. Thus, the public code "out there" on sites like GitHub tends to be fairly advanced and of high quality. Python is an entirely different ballgame. It's one of the most commonly used languages today, and the public code base is absolutely enormous. This also means that the quality of that public code varies considerably. Also, Python is not functional at heart, and its data structures aren't immutable: side effects is the name of the game. Python programmers, though much greater in number than Clojure programmers, range from script kids to computer scientists. Thus, public Python code is much more all over the place and of varying quality. This may make it harder for a large language model to reason about. I wondered whether these differences accounted for the discrepancies in the usefulness of Claude and other LLMs as coding assistants in Clojure and Python. Asking ClaudeSo I decided to ask Claude 3.7 itself. I shared the Clojure codebase with it and asked why it thought results were so much better for Clojure than for Python. This is what it said:
It then continued, quoting the code base:
I guess this answers my question about Clojure vs Python. It's not just the functional and immutable aspects of Clojure, it's also specifying the domain stringently through design, architectural discussons, specs, and tests. The Ooloi project in particularWith all that out of the way, I then went on to describe how I use Claude as a discussion partner before code is generated, and the TDD approach I'm using where the tests of course describe the domain. Claude was almost embarrassingly enthusiastic:
I continued: "I also use Claude to create ADRs, READMEs, introductions for newcomers, Dev plans, etc. I'm quite open about this; transparency is paramount in an open-source project, and the idea is to facilitate collaborators' understanding of the Ooloi project as much as possible. This means that adherence to best practices, the use of sane architecture, abstracting away the complex stuff without compromising on performance or flexibility, etc, all are central." Claude responded:
We then went on discussing open-source strategies, tutorials and onboarding materials for contributors and much more which I'll spare you from for now. Finally, I asked it to summarise its views on Ooloi as a project:
Now, this level of enthusiasm and praise from an anthropomorphic-presenting LLM (essentially a glorified Markov chain) always makes me deeply suspicious – I'm absolutely allergic to toxic positivity, especially the kind from the USA – so I asked it "Are you sure you're not overly enthusiastic just to please me?". It replied:
I then asked Claude 3.7 to comment on my journey from Common Lisp to Clojure and on the influence from Common Lisp and CLOS on Ooloi:
And finally, I just couldn't resist asking: "What would Rich Hickey say?"
I guess that hypothetical assessment is good enough for me at this point. Still not quite sure that Claude isn't giving me a friendly reach-around, though... ;)
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It's been five months since my last update on Ooloi – or FrankenScore, as it's still known in its pre-release incarnation. This silence wasn't planned; rather, it happened because life got in the way. A demanding day job, a significant career change – we had to liquidate Delegat AB and I had to find a new job as a principal-level AWS Cloud Architect – and other responsibilities all conspired to slow Ooloi's momentum. I won't bore you with excuses – sometimes one simply must pause to change course, and I really needed to devote all time and mind space to finding what I hope is my final employment. Now that I've secured a great position with HiQ in Stockholm, I can return to Ooloi with full force. Where We StandDespite the public quiet, work has continued, albeit at a more measured pace. The foundational architecture – that robust, high-performance platform for ACID-compliant transactions – remains solid. I've made incremental improvements to the core API, particularly in how it handles complex musical structures through our vector path descriptor (VPD) system. The polymorphic API is now fully mature, offering a consistent interface whether used internally in the backend or remotely by the frontend. This uniformity will prove invaluable both for our own development and for future JVM plugin creators, who'll benefit from the significant abstraction it provides. File persistence using Nippy has been fully implemented, creating a solid foundation for saving and loading pieces. This might seem a mundane milestone, but anyone who's worked with complex software knows that solid persistence mechanisms are like plumbing – unglamorous but absolutely essential, and you certainly notice when they're missing. File persistence, like high-quality printing, should be implemented early in the development cycle as they can be devilishly difficult to just tack on later. They also provide an acid test for the whole architecture. A Bit of ReflectionFive months of relative silence offers time to think. Perhaps there's value in stepping back from the constant pressure to show visible output. In such moments, the architecture is refined not through frantic coding but through careful consideration. The journey from Igor Engraver to Ooloi spans decades, and a few months of slower progress hardly register on such a timescale. What matters is that the vision remains clear and the foundation solid. After all, the whole purpose of the Ooloi project is not to "disrupt the market". Like Octavia Butler's ooloi aliens, we're neither aggressive nor competitive. What is important, however, is doing this right using modern tools. The idea is to create an architecture and a platform that'll last and that musicians and publishers will want to use. It's also to provide a powerful environment that can be easily extended through any JVM language. Ooloi has a tight, lean and efficient core, organically and seamlessly augmented by a flora of plugins for any vertical. This would include jazz, early music, tablature, etc - but also commercial plugins to support things like virtual instruments, extremely intelligent playback, or perhaps GenAI used for musical purposes. The idea is to shift the initiative to the users, not to a central committee trying to anticipate user needs. Ooloi is designed for flexibility and efficiency. Uniting these two aspects sucessfully requires careful architectural design. (And a language like Clojure for the core and the JVM for the plugins.) Community BuildingWith the core architecture stabilising, I'm thinking more about community. Ooloi is intended as an open-source project, a collaborative effort that will benefit from diverse perspectives and expertise. The extensive documentation work completed earlier – including the architecture decision records, READMEs, and technical specifications – was not merely for my benefit. It prepares the ground for future collaborators, creating a clear map of the territory for those who will join us. The website, this blog, and the growing collection of documentation all serve as beacons for those who might be interested in contributing. They signal our commitment to transparency and proper communication – essential ingredients for any successful open-source project. Looking ForwardSo what comes next? The gRPC layer for communication between frontend and backend remains a priority. This is the bridge that will allow the beautiful architecture we've built to manifest in a usable form for musicians and composers. Following that, the initial frontend work – that "Hello World" window that will serve as proof of concept – beckons. While the backend architecture is undoubtedly important, it's through the frontend that users will experience Ooloi. Getting this right is crucial. The SMuFL integration for standard music font layout continues to progress, ensuring that Ooloi will render beautiful notation with consistency across platforms. Challenges and OpportunitiesEvery project faces challenges, and Ooloi is no exception. Time constraints remain the most significant hurdle, as this is still predominantly a one-person effort with limited hours available. There's also the natural tension between getting it right and getting it done. The perfectionist tendency can be both a blessing and a curse in software development. While it drives us towards excellence, it can also delay progress if not properly balanced. The task here is to create a platform for music processing and notation. This balance has to be exactly right so that contributors can treat Ooloi like a music notation OS rather than just a bunch of API endpoints. I think the balance is right; it's looking very promising. Yet within these challenges lie opportunities. The time spent refining the architecture will pay dividends in the long run, creating a more solid foundation for future development. A Call to Potential CollaboratorsAs Ooloi progresses toward its eventual public release, I'm increasingly aware of the need for collaborators. If you're a Clojure programmer with an interest in music notation, or a musician with programming skills, your perspective could be invaluable. While we're not yet at the point of opening the repository – though a "soft release" isn't out of the question – I welcome conversations with those who might be interested in contributing once we do. The journey from FrankenScore to Ooloi – from private project to open-source collaboration – will be richer for having diverse voices involved from the early stages. Closing ThoughtsFive months of comparative quiet doesn't mean I've abandoned ship; it simply reflects the natural ebb and flow of a project undertaken alongside life's other commitments. Ooloi continues to grow, perhaps not as swiftly as in those heady initial weeks, but with steady purpose nonetheless.
I'm reminded of how musical compositions themselves develop – sometimes in great creative bursts, other times through careful refinement of existing material. Both approaches have their place. To those following Ooloi's progress, thank you for your patience. The work continues, and updates will come more regularly as we approach the milestone of public release. The vision of a modern, efficient, and elegant music notation system – one built on sound architectural principles and open to community collaboration – remains as compelling as ever. Until next time (which will be considerably less than five months hence), / Peter
![]() An Architecture Decision Record (ADR) is a point-in-time document that records architectural decisions and the reasoning behind them. And since communicating architectural ideas clearly to collaborators is extra important in open-source, I've just added a bunch of ADRs to the Documentation page. They cover various aspects of the FrankenScore architecture, from high-level design decisions to specific technical choices. They are:
In the past weeks, I've been focused on FrankenScore's core architecture. I'm not rushing to open-source this; instead, I'm taking my time to craft a solid platform that will do the heavy lifting for future users and collaborators. All the complexities involving data representation and manipulation in a multi-threaded environment must be solved so collaborators can concentrate on the essentials. Clojure is ideal here, just as Common Lisp was the clear choice for Igor Engraver back in 1996.
Key developments: 1. The API is now fully polymorphic and can be used in the same way internally in the backend as in the frontend. There is a system of pointerless vector path descriptors (VPDs) implemented for this purpose that all API operations can accept as part of their polymorphic setup. I wouldn't be surprised if core collaborators will use the API for internal purposes as well, as it is highly efficient and exposes the underlying functionality in an abstract, domain-specific way. There should be little need to go directly to the underlying data structures, at least not for speed - and certainly not for expressivity. This also bodes well for plugin development in other languages than Clojure, which is an important feature. 2. This beast is fast. Clojure's STM facilities ensure high-speed ACID-compliant transactions with automatic retries. They are also composable. This means that plugins can bombard the backend with hundreds of thousands of mutation requests, for instance to implement MusicXML, with the same efficiency as the pure Clojure backend. 3. Piece Manager Implementation: There's now a Piece Manager, providing functions for storing, retrieving, and resolving pieces from IDs. This allows for multiple clients to work simultaneously on the same piece in a distributed arrangement. The FrankenScore backend can run in the cloud with multiple people collaborating on the same piece. Multiple pieces can be open simultaneously to allow copy-and-paste operations between them. My next steps involve implementing file persistence (saving and opening music files), as well as tackling printing. These are foundational features, not mere add-ons. Persistence forces a clear definition of the data model and enables easier testing. Printing isn't just about output; it's about representation and serves as a sanity check on the entire system design. Both will likely inform further refinements of the core architecture, potentially revealing oversights or opportunities for optimisation. Additionally, sequencing is a crucial part of the core platform. And by sequencing I mean support for converting musical representations to timed sound events - though not necessarily via MIDI; a software synth may use direct means of control, for instance. The core sequencer can be used by plugins to generate MIDI, or to input MIDI, but the actual MIDI implementation will be done in the plugin layer. But that's a whole blog post of its own. FrankenScore is still private. There is a number of things that need to be in place before the project can go public and I can start inviting collaborators, so let's touch a little on names, releases and versions.
At this stage I'm finalising the robust, high-performance platform for ACID-compliant transactions which forms the basis of everything in FrankenScore and is manifested through the backend API. FrankenScore becomes Ooloi when released as open source. But the first release doesn't need to be Ooloi 1.0, which by definition would be feature-complete. In fact, it should be Ooloi 0.n with an n as low as possible, meaning it's best to go public as early as possible, yet feature-complete enough so Ooloi's promise is immediately apparent. Here's a very rough project plan:
So, point 9 represents the point where the project goes public and Ooloi 0.n appears. It remains to be seen how feature-complete the notation must be to confidently take that step. However. There might of course be room for collaborators in the project before the public release as open source, as there are points in the above list that cover isolated features that could be delegated to an experienced Clojure programmer. Hmm. Let's think about that. ![]() I should perhaps say something about how Generative AI is used in the FrankenScore project. First of all, I have a prompt of about 4100 lines which prefaces every conversation with the AI chat client. The prompt consists of project documentation, background, design principles and goals, coding principles and conventions, explanations of central code and code examples. It also includes a major part of the source. This allows the AI to:
The copy on this website was almost entirely created by AI means, often using multiple iterations until I arrived at something suitable for publication. There remain a few passages that slipped me by as the AI produced text that reads a little too self-congratulatory on my part, but it was simply the opinion of the AI (though it is of course nice that it likes the code). I'll fix that during the days to come. Also, the technical comparison with other software is a bit too speculative and monotone. I'll change that, too. In terms of code, I've found that Claude 3.5 Sonnet reasons better at depth about Clojure code than GPT-4o and consequently is the superior choice for complex coding. GPT-4o is still useful for producing text, though. It isn't exactly bad at coding, but it has a tendency to vomit code at you at every opportunity, which is both tiresome and expensive. Also, it kind of loses track when conversations get very long. And they do; the chains of thought are sometimes complex, and a meandering AI can get costly. Therefore using Claude saves money in the long run. By the way, it's easy to tell when I am writing. Just look for signs of British English. You know, -ise and colour and whilst and so forth. The AI invariably produces American English. |
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FrankenScore is a modern, open-source music notation software designed to handle complex musical scores with ease. It is designed to be a flexible and powerful music notation software tool providing professional, extremely high-quality results. The core functionality includes inputting music notation, formatting scores and their parts, and printing them. Additional features can be added as plugins, allowing for a modular and customizable user experience.
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